[recorded on 2008-02-07, all times are UTC+0100]

01:42 -!- foobared [secure@private-gw9.office.webfoundation.net] has joined #varnish
01:42 < foobared> Can someone help me........
01:43 < foobared> req.request == "GET" && req.url ~ "/index.php?category=view&id=([^/]*)"
01:43 < foobared> req.request == "GET" && req.url ~ "/view/([^/]*)/?$"
01:43 < foobared> req.request == "GET" && req.url ~ "/view/"
01:43 < foobared> i tried all of those to stop /view/*.imageextensionetc
01:43 < foobared> and they are never cached i always see a hit in access logs of the server...
01:57 -!- mark [mark@tilia.nedworks.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
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02:06 < foobared> mark
02:15 < foobared> is someone ever here
02:23 < EvilDES> foobared: it's two in the morning.
02:24 < EvilDES> foobared: anyway, the only way to debug this is with logs
02:24 < EvilDES> foobared: Varnish logs, not backend logs
02:24 < foobared> i did varnishtop
02:25 < foobared> what should i look for
02:25 < EvilDES> foobared: logs
02:25 < EvilDES> foobared: varnishtop is useless to me
02:25 < foobared> It logs?
02:25 < EvilDES> foobared: I am not in your chair in front of your computer
02:26 < EvilDES> foobared: man varnishlog
02:26 < foobared> ok thanks
02:26 < foobared> sorry its frustrating not alot of docs.
02:31 < foobared> Ok.. im not sure but if it is catching.. it woulnt request items again when i do shift+reload ?
02:42 < foobared> i got .php to match...
02:43 < foobared> but in IE it shows 'new' page while force reload firefox does not after i did it on old page
02:43 < foobared> is it checking browsers or something?
02:43 < foobared> seems fishy
02:53 < foobared> i assume varnish is using some sort of browser check?
02:53 < foobared> if i wget file from 5 servers 1st will always show in access log even if i opened site before in firefox or w/e
02:54 < foobared> then all other wgets are fine
03:25 < EvilDES> foobared: correction
03:25 < EvilDES> foobared: not "not a lot of docs"
03:26 < EvilDES> foobared: the docs are there, in the form of manual pages
03:26 < EvilDES> foobared: not my fault if you didn't read them
03:26 < foobared> yes they are not user friendly
03:26 < foobared> period
03:26 < foobared> im not developer man
03:26 < EvilDES> foobared: fine, so write better ones
03:26 < foobared> I wish :|
03:27 < EvilDES> foobared: if you don't like our docs, I'm wondering what you're comparing us with
03:27 < EvilDES> foobared: since the only real competition is squid
03:28 < EvilDES> foobared: and I know the squid docs far too well
03:28 < foobared> Hell is your problem
03:28 < foobared> I'm end using trying your software
03:28 < EvilDES> Hell is a town in Northern Norway
03:28 < EvilDES> actually
03:28 < foobared> I'm not comparing you to anybody
03:28 < EvilDES> I've been there.
03:28 < foobared> I'm trying to make this work
03:29 < EvilDES> you won't make it work by disparaging the developers' efforts.
03:30 < EvilDES> here is how open source works:
03:30 < EvilDES> you get the software for free
03:30 < EvilDES> in return, you are required to be polite and respectful in your communication with the developers
03:32 < EvilDES> so
03:32 < EvilDES> what, exactly, did you not like about the documentation?
03:36 < foobared> I'm not polite because I think documentation is too verbrose?
03:37 < foobared> anyways i will go practise
03:42 < EvilDES> uh
03:42 < EvilDES> so far you haven't said anything about what's wrong with the documentation
03:43 < EvilDES> except that it is "not user friendly", which doesn't really tell me anything
04:25 < foobared> Ok...
04:25 < foobared> For example when I use different browser/wget it does not get cached page
04:25 < foobared> It gets a new version of the page then it becomes cached for that browser
04:25 < foobared> why
04:26 < foobared> There is nothing in documentation
04:26 < foobared> There no examples for some regex stuff for matching / dynamic scripts
04:26 < foobared> There no documentation on how to test if caching works (dynamic)
04:26 < foobared> I have to figure all of this out

[a few hours later]

08:09 < foobared> Hmm
08:09 < foobared> I only set to cache /etc/*
08:10 < foobared> but i have wierd results when going outside of /etc/ (non cached) 
08:10 < foobared> as in once user logs in it randomly decides if he is loigged in or not
08:10 < foobared> very wierd
08:11 < foobared> I did try to set header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate"); once user is logged in
08:11 < foobared> no luck
08:12 < foobared>  }
08:12 < foobared>         if (obj.http.Pragma ~ "no-cache" || obj.http.Cache-Control ~ "no-cache" || obj.http.Cache-Control ~ "private") {
08:12 < foobared> ahh..
08:13 < foobared> if i want one page i should probably pass; instead of look up if no matches
08:13 < foobared> brb

[several hours later]

14:01 < foobared> how do i handle cookies and sessions for servers behind varnish
14:09 < EvilDES> foobared: man vcl
14:09 < foobared> No manual entry for vcl

[OK, so you complain about the quality of documentation that you haven't even read?]

14:09 < EvilDES> foobared: sorry, I can't help you if you didn't install Varnish correctly
14:10 < EvilDES> foobared: meaning as described in the documentation on the web site
14:10 < foobared> thats great
14:10 < foobared> I followed that exacly
14:10 < foobared> And i know how to install the software any how.
14:10 < EvilDES> foobared: look, if you're unhappy with the documentation, tell us about it on the mailing list
14:11 < EvilDES> foobared: in the meantime, we simply don't have the time to help people who refuse to read the documentation.
14:15 < foobared> No I think you just being a dick
14:15 < foobared> And basicly should go back to coding not talking to people
14:15 < EvilDES> foobared: you are welcome to your opinion
14:16 < foobared> I been using FreeBSD probably longer then you, and by your logic your telling me I did not install your software properly.. because I can run everything but not view a manual?

[note: I've used FreeBSD since 1996 and been a project member and sometimes officer since 1998, so that's a pretty tall claim]

14:16 < foobared> ridiculous
14:16 < EvilDES> foobared: longer than me?
14:16 < foobared> Yes does that hurt your ego
14:16 < EvilDES> foobared: longer even than phk perhaps?
14:16 < foobared> Fucking ego tripping kid.
14:16 < EvilDES> foobared: no, my ego is just fine
14:16 < foobared> I'm sure
14:17 < EvilDES> foobared: longer than phk?
14:17 < foobared> You been trying to inflate it and your dick here all day
14:17 < foobared> Fuck off
14:17 < EvilDES> foobared: are you aware that phk is one of the founders of the FreeBSD project?
14:17 < foobared> EvilDES, thats great
14:17 < foobared> I'm talking to YOU
14:17 < foobared> Work on your people skill
14:18 < EvilDES> foobared: right back at you.
14:18 < EvilDES> foobared: you may want to show a little more respect to people whom you are asking to help you for free.
14:18 < foobared> No
14:18 < foobared> Your not helping

[I may not be helping, but he's still demanding that I do so, for free]

14:18 < foobared> Your being a dick for past 24 hours I been here
14:18 < foobared> So you can take your respect and shove it
14:19 < EvilDES> foobared: purely out of curiosity, when exactly did you start using FreeBSD?
14:19 < foobared> Why does it even matter
14:19 < foobared> Are you seriously retarded
14:20 < foobared> You are the most freaking idiot I met ever that contributes to a project
14:20 < EvilDES> foobared: well, you made a rather surprising claim, is it wrong of me to ask you to substantiate it?
14:20 < foobared> Jesus
14:20 < foobared> Get over it, god damn moron

[at this point I decided, perhaps a bit late, that there was no point in further discussion]

14:20 < adam> foobared, you're not exactly inspiring people to help you, you know.
14:30 < foobared> That's probably the top of where I'm going to get. I been trying to figure this out for past 12 or so hours and you guys A) Tell me to read documentation which is.. too sparse which is OK but you do not want to expand on some topics that are not talked about in depth ?

[the documentation is too sparse?  just a few hours ago you were saying it was too verbose]

14:30 < foobared> Then you accuse me of not installing software properly because there is no manual available for it after installation
14:31 < foobared> And I was aware of man, and tried it without any luck so I had to open man/* from tar to read manually
14:31 < foobared> Then some dick head developer tries to get into pissing match over who used Freebsd longest

[oh no, that was you]

14:32 < foobared> Good way to win some community support with all that bullshit
14:45 < adam> There are actually examples of how to handle cookies in vcl(7).
14:46 < adam> So it's obvious to assume you haven't read the docs. Enough, anyway.
14:47 < adam> But actually, when you start with the name calling, people's will to help drops dramatically.
14:47 < adam> The only thing you accomplish is getting people pissed at you.
14:49 < adam> And if you are the experienced superuser/sysadm you claim to be, you should know that an "RTFM" is not meant in a bad way, but rather as a "
14:50 < adam> "The answer's there, you just gotta look harder".
14:51 < adam> I seriously doubt that anyone was deliberately being a smartass. But you, otoh, was being, to use your own word, a dick.
14:52 < adam> Bottom line: Name calling gets you nowhere, fast. If you want help, be prepared to help yourself. It's a two-way process. Dialogue is the key word.

[this is where I add adam to my christmas-card list]